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The Curse of Modernity

Philip Rieff’s problem with freedom

“Isn’t it curious,” my theology teacher used to say with a sly smile, “that beyond good and evil is always . . . evil?” This is traditionally the last resort, the trump card, of the orthodox: there is no honor among unbelievers, or at least no security for their honor. Why should someone who doesn’t love God, or at least fear his judgment, be moral? In God Is Not Great, Christopher Hitchens recalls a debate between the philosopher A.J. Ayer and an Anglican bishop about the existence of God. Apparently out of arguments, the bishop exclaimed that if Ayer really believed all that, “then I cannot see why you do not live a life of unbridled immorality.” It hadn’t occurred to his grace that a skeptic, even a skeptical Oxford philosopher, could be anything but wicked.

Contemporary social science has pretty well established that believers and unbelievers commit unbridled immorality in roughly equal proportions. Nevertheless, the assumption that one cannot be reliably good without God persists in the United States, explicitly or implicitly, to the extent that a declared unbeliever almost certainly cannot be elected to national office. Around half the population identify themselves as born-again Christians and believe in angels, miracles, the inerrancy of the Bible, and the special creation of the Earth within the last 10,000 years. So if (as everyone seems to agree) America is in decline morally, an excess of skeptical rationalism is probably not to blame. Still, the modern world is undeniably more secular than the premodern one, especially among the educated, and that fact must surely have large psychological, if not behavioral, consequences. What have been, and will be, the effects of the Enlightenment on the individual and collective moral psychology of the West?

For five decades, until his death in July 2006, Philip Rieff pondered that question intently, learnedly, and eccentrically. Though Rieff was a sociology professor, he was not a social scientist; he was a social theorist in the line of Durkheim and Weber, an erudite synthesist. All three were social psychologists of religion, but Rieff was a social psychologist of irreligion as well. Equally important, he had an analytical resource they did not: Freudian psychoanalysis.

Rieff’s first book (his best, in my opinion) was a penetrating and imaginative study, Freud: The Mind of the Moralist (1959). At the time, most people considered Freud an immoralist—a proponent of liberation. Morality was supposedly what made us ill, posing unreasonable demands on behalf of “civilization” and forcing our healthy instinctual passions underground, into the unconscious, from which they tried to escape by way of “symptoms.” These symptoms were strangled protests against the tyranny of culture over nature. The psychoanalytic cure was a protracted guerrilla campaign, aiming to take over one inner stronghold after another without provoking an all-out counterattack in the form of a nervous breakdown.

Freudian therapy was an indifferent success, but Freudian theory was enormously influential. The lesson most people took from it was a strong suspicion of moral authority and a reluctance to exercise it over young children. Inhibition, repression, and conformity were assumed to be unhealthy; spontaneity, individualism, and self-expression to be healthy. The prestige of “order” plummeted; that of “freedom” soared.

The Mind of the Moralist was a vigorous dissent from this standard interpretation. Rieff’s point was not just that, unlike his noisier disciples, Freud was temperamentally conservative, rating order as highly as freedom and restraint as highly as expression. This stance could be (and regularly was) dismissed as reflexive Victorian/Viennese caution. On the contrary, Rieff argued, Freud’s caution was well-founded. He understood that he had not really explained away our primal, nameless sense of guilt, which lay beneath the more superficial and intelligible constraints imposed by culture, with the implausible hypothesis of a primal crime. And yet, for this resolute unbeliever, such guilt could have no rational basis—who, after all, was humankind accountable to?

Rieff’s explanation of what there is to be guilty about was repeated in many books over many years, with increasing urgency (and, it must be said, portentousness). Human possibilities are limitless; about this he seemed to agree with Freud’s liberationist successors. But what excited them terrified him—and, he claimed, everyone else, at least before the triumph of the therapeutic ethos. Our primal endowment—formless, destructive, uncontrollable instinct—paralyzes and isolates us. We cannot trust ourselves or one another until a firm structure of interdictions has been installed in everyone’s psyche. These must be expounded by an interpretive elite, ratified through a calendar of rituals, and enforced by stern authority. Every culture is a dialectic of prohibition and permission, renunciation and release. Freud would have agreed; but whereas his followers concluded that the original “yes” of instinct was silenced, or at least muted, by the “no” of repressive authority, Rieff countered that instinct was cacophonous and only the original, creative “no” gave it a distinct voice. As he put it in The Mind of the Moralist—his style, already a little melodramatic, foreshadowing his later, full-blown apocalyptic abstractions—the primal self is “in a panic to express the fecundity of its own emptiness” and must be mastered by “unalterable authority.” For if “everything could be expressed by everyone identically,” then “nothing would remain to be expressed individually.” Hence the “irreducible and supreme activity of culture” is to “prevent the expression of everything,” thereby precluding “the one truly egalitarian dominion: nothingness.”

For most educated (and even many uneducated) Westerners, however, all formerly unalterable authorities now lie in the dust, like Ozymandias. Science has banished the supernatural, technology has vanquished scarcity, and so, having lost its parents, ignorance and misery, morality is now an orphan. This is the triumphalist view of modernity, and Rieff shared it; only instead of a triumph, he thought it a catastrophe. The dimensions of this catastrophe dawned on him gradually. The last chapter of Freud is “The Emergence of Psychological Man,” a tentative sketch of what modernity had wrought. Until the twentieth century, in Rieff’s account, three character types had successively prevailed in Western culture: political man, the ideal of classical times, dedicated to the glory of his city; religious man, the ideal of the Christian era, dedicated to the glory of God; and a transitional figure, economic man, a creature of Enlightenment liberalism. Economic man believed in doing good unto others by doing well for himself. This convenient compromise did not last long, and what survived of it was not the altruism but the egoism. Psychological man was frankly and shrewdly selfish, beyond ideals and illusions, at best a charming narcissist, at worst boorish or hypochondriacal, according to his temperament.

But the worst thing about psychological man was his children. Raised without repressions, they were incapable of renunciation and regarded all authority as illegitimate. Rieff’s second book, The Triumph of the Therapeutic (1966), raised the alarm about their “devastating illusions of individuality and freedom.” A society without hierarchy, whose members “cannot conceive any salvation other than amplitude in living itself,” must end in moral squalor, chaos, anomie, and universal boredom. Nor will it help to “disguise their rancorous worship of self in the religion of art,” for art too depends on renunciation. Here Rieff quotes Nietzsche at length (in what is for me the most illuminating passage in Rieff’s entire corpus):

Every system of morals is a sort of tyranny against “nature” and also against “reason”; that is, however, no objection, unless one should again decree, by some system of morals, that all kinds of tyranny and unreasonableness are unlawful. What is essential and invaluable in every system of morals is that it is a long constraint. ... The singular fact remains ... that everything of the nature of freedom, elegance, boldness, dance, and masterly certainty, which exists or has existed, whether it be in thought itself or in administration, or in speaking and persuading, in art just as in conduct, has only developed by means of the tyranny of such arbitrary law; and in all seriousness, it is not at all improbable that precisely this is “nature” and “natural” and not laisser-aller! ... The essential thing “in heaven and earth” is apparently (to repeat it once more) that there should be long obedience in the same direction; there thereby results, and has always resulted in the long run, something which has made life worth living.

Muscular strength is built gradually, for example by overcoming the resistance of progressively heavier weights. Moral and psychological strength also require resistance—the pressure of cultural interdicts, dictating what is not to be done or even thought of. Such discipline simplifies our lives and economizes our energies. Without an unquestioned moral demand system, based on guilt, fear, and faith and generating obedience, trust, and dependence, there can be no spiritual hygiene, no communal purpose. And that is what the triumph of the therapeutic ethos makes impossible. Nowadays “the religious psychologies of release and the social technologies of affluence do not go beyond release and affluence to a fresh imposition of restrictive demands. This describes, in a sentence, the cultural revolution of our time. The old culture of denial has become irrelevant to a world of infinite abundance and reality.” In the absence of strict, even harsh, limits (to use a plain word Rieff himself, puzzlingly, so seldom used that one is led to wonder whether his elaborately artificial prose style was itself meant as a discipline), we cannot thrive.

While Rieff was writing The Triumph of the Therapeutic in the early 1960s, the New Left and the counterculture were still gathering force. When the storm broke in the mid- and late ’60s, he was aghast. In 1971 he gave an interview to the editors of Salmagundi. When they asked him to edit the transcript for publication, he responded with a book-length open letter, Fellow Teachers (1973), denouncing students and teachers alike, the former for their ignorant impatience of all discipline and sacred authority, the latter for their irresponsible acquiescence.

Students can bring us no hope at all until the protest style, as Love of Humanity and Power to the People, is seen through. With the vision of this horror, we will see in true light the craven aping and interminable apologies for the transgressive types at the bottom: the perverts, the underclass, all those who can do no wrong because they have been wronged. ... I repeat what I have said often: immediately behind the hippies are the thugs. They occupy the remissive space opened up by the hippies, deepening it from an aesthetic into a politics. The self-absorbed therapy of the hippies clears the way for the mass-murder therapy of the thugs.

He could not refrain from the ultimate epithet: “Released from sacred fear by our remissive teaching elites, transgressives carry their peculiar authority with more right and less shame than ever before in the history of our misery. Hence Hitler and Holocaust ... Gulag and Dachau, torture and terror, are the dry-eyed children of our enlightenments.”

Despairing, Rieff fell silent until his death 33 years later. (One of his students, Jonathan Imber, published The Feeling Intellect, a valuable collection of Rieff’s occasional writings, in 1990.) He did not, however, cease working. He left behind a mass of manuscripts, which several former students were helping him ready for publication. Charisma is one of them. Another, My Life Among the Deathworks, the first volume of a projected trilogy, Sacred Order/Social Order, appeared last year.

Charisma is not Rieff at his best. The book is repetitive, dense with jargon, impatient of exposition, and more than occasionally intemperate. In form, it is an extended quarrel with Max Weber’s sociology of religion, which relies on the concept of charisma but, according to Rieff, radically misunderstands it. Weber conceived charisma as one of three kinds of legitimate authority—traditional, charismatic, and legal—that characterize all organizations, including religious ones. Traditional authority, typical of primitive societies, derives from inertia and aims at continuity. Legal authority, typical of modern societies and their bureaucracies, derives from methodical reasoning and aims at efficiency. Charismatic authority is untypical and unpredictable; it derives from a singularly compelling, dynamic figure, seemingly gifted by God, and aims at radical reform or innovation. The charismatic figure arises when a tradition or bureaucracy stagnates, and his legacy is inevitably regularized by his uncharismatic successors. Since Weber, the term has been drastically vulgarized and is now mostly employed by journalists or publicists to puff politicians and pop-culture personalities.

Rieff deplores this progressive secularization of charisma and insists on its fundamentally religious significance. “My position is ... no charisma without creed.” For Rieff, a creed is not primarily theological but moral: a “particular order of interdicts and remissions.” Genuine charisma is not transgressive; it does not abolish limits or license lawlessness. Rather, it imposes new interdicts, a “new organization of avoidances and of salvations through avoidances.” Charismatics satisfy “the need for love in its prototypical form, as a craving for authority, reorganizing its expression within a fresh content of ambivalences.” As he writes, in one of all too many suggestive but obscure passages:

The suffering that is the predicate for a charismatic situation is therefore not material suffering as such, but the deprivation of that authority that is inseparable from the love relation. The revolutionary authority of the charismatic is not a cure when viewed from the perspective of a therapeutically sophisticated culture, but rather, another symptom of the prototypal series with the resistances reorganized to express yet different repressions.

Besides Weber, Rieff engages with the Old Testament prophets, Saint Paul, and Kierkegaard. His exegeses are ingenious and original, and they all yield the same conclusion: religion is prohibition, culture is inhibition, authority is salvation, submission is wisdom, transgression is folly, and criticism of anything but the pretensions of critical reason is impiety. Modern American society has so completely forgotten these lessons that one is constantly expecting to hear Rieff exclaim, like Heidegger, “Only a God can save us.”

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In all his books—indeed, on virtually every page—Rieff propounded a single thesis: the urgent necessity of a “sacred order,” promulgated by a “creedal organization,” consisting of “interdicts and remissions,” admitting of no appeal and no criticism—except, if it should decay, from prophets who either purify and reaffirm the old interdictory order or establish a new one. Without this, he warned continually, no greatness of soul, no lasting happiness, no common life is possible.

And yet Rieff never—not once—suggested what the basis of a plausible sacred order might be. The old faiths, he acknowledged, have lost their hold on Western elites; but he offered no hint, scarcely even any hope, of a new one. It was as though a prophet came among the people, foretold a terrible future, and admonished, “You must believe and obey, or you are lost.” And when the people cried out in earnest, “We cannot abide that future; tell us, then, what to believe and whom to obey,” he replied, “It matters not what or whom; only believe and obey.”

Prescribing religion without specifying any particular theology has become commonplace among social critics, particularly communitarians. They have a point. No society—for that matter, no individual—can flourish without a great deal of trust, devotion, solidarity, and self-discipline. Religion often fosters these things, and not only among coreligionists. But not all forms of freedom are equally dangerous, as Rieff seems to imply. Although untrammeled sexual freedom is not a requirement of human flourishing, any more than the untrammeled freedom to accumulate money, untrammeled intellectual freedom most certainly is. Unquestioned authority is not merely undesirable, it is impossible, a contradiction in terms. Authority is what remains after all questions have been asked, all objections posed, all doubts explored. Until then, there is only superstition or cowed silence. Religious orthodoxy, and in particular the theistic hypothesis, has had many centuries to establish its intellectual authority. Its prospects are dwindling. If trust, devotion, and the other requisites of community depend on a general belief in supernatural agencies, then the triumph of the therapeutic is probably permanent.

Well, then, can we be good without God? Certainly some people can. Marcus Aurelius, David Hume, George Eliot, John Stuart Mill, and William James—undoubtedly (all right, it’s just my opinion) the five most perfect human beings—were not theists. But of course, the existence of exceptions has never been at issue. The question is about the rest of us, run-of-the-mill humanity. What can motivate ordinary men and women to behave decently most of the time and heroically in emergencies?

Perhaps it might help to reduce the many temptations to behave otherwise. Chief among these in 21st-century America are the relentless sexualization of advertising and entertainment, the pervasive economic insecurity engineered by business and government (especially Republican) policies, and the enfeeblement of civic life entailed by extreme laissez-faire ideology. These things make it harder to maintain dignity or restraint and to trust or care about other people. None of them are necessary consequences of skepticism or intellectual freedom, and some of them are promoted most vigorously by people who loudly proclaim themselves religious. Only the first has provoked any organized religious opposition, however, and even then has generated only a fraction of the energy and resources wasted on opposing sex education and the teaching of evolution—not to mention the anti-abortion movement, which would surely prevent more abortions by helping to lower the sexual temperature of consumer marketing than by proselytizing unwed mothers and harassing their physicians.

Just as important as avoiding temptation is acquiring the strength to subdue it. Ordinary people must become heroes, and we can. The deepest determinant of contemporary social psychology is not mass unbelief but mass production. Industrialism has decisively undermined the republican ideals of independence, self-sufficiency, and proprietorship—the “modest competence” postulated by early democratic theorists as the basis of civic virtue and civil equality. It is the practice of demanding skills, rather than fragmented and routinized drudgery, that disciplines us and makes mutual respect and sympathy possible. Work that provides scope for the exercise of virtues and talents; a physical, social, and political environment commensurate in scale with our authentic, non-manufactured needs and appetites; and a much greater degree of equality, with fewer status distinctions, and those resting on inner qualities rather than money—these are the requirements of psychic health at present. The alternative is infantilism and authoritarianism, compensated—at least until the earth’s ecology breaks down—by frantic consumption.

Tracing a society’s predicament to its historical and political roots is more difficult than endlessly excoriating or mocking its most outlandish manifestations. It is also more rewarding. That is why, after reading Freud: The Mind of the Moralist and perhaps also The Triumph of the Therapeutic, those in sympathy with Rieff’s complaint should turn to the writings of Christopher Lasch. In a series of invaluable books, notably The Minimal Self (1984), The True and Only Heaven (1991), and The Revolt of the Elites (1995), Lasch diagnosed contemporary narcissism far more rigorously and persuasively than Rieff. It is the worker’s loss of autonomy, Lasch showed—his dependence on a remote, centralized economic authority—that has produced a culture of unlimited consumption and ersatz self-expression; and it is the disappearance of the household economy, which removed the father’s work life from the child’s experience, that has produced the characteristic modern ambivalence about authority, which Rieff can only blame on rationalist hubris and original sin. This exceptional historical insight, along with a robust, unflagging concern for democracy and equality, set Lasch, morally as well as intellectually, above all other recent critics of modernity.

Lasch has also, it happens, written the best essay I have encountered about Rieff, a chapter in The Revolt of the Elites. After much agreement and praise, he gently rebuked Rieff for falling into a practice that Rieff had himself rightly criticized: recommending religion for purely instrumental reasons. “The issue,” Lasch reminded Rieff, “[is] not whether religion [is] necessary but whether it [is] true.” For that reason, “an honest atheist is always to be preferred to a culture Christian.” Notwithstanding Rieff’s uncompromising anathemas, honest believers and honest unbelievers will need one another if contemporary American society is to be redeemed.


Comments

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professor emeritus
Apparently, neither Philip Rieff or George Scialabba have heard of the thriving fields of evolutionary psychology and sociobiology which explain clearly the origins of morality without reference to religion. A recent work titled Moral Minds by Marc Hauser of Harvard might be a good prescription.
— posted 08/25/2007 at 03:04 by charles stores
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reductivism ad absurdum
Charles Stores>

Never mind the fact that evolutionary psychology nor sociobiology were barely even theoretical, let alone thriving, fields during Rieff's writing of Freud, but further, your non-chalant brevity and pretense is a disturbing, yet not uncommon, symptom of over-investment in reductive thinking. There is no shame, nor should there be, when a psychologist or philosopher describes and analyses a subject like morality in its pre-molecular biology terms. Or have you already forcefully forgotten that long-ago age of descriptive metaphor and analogy which has comprised the vast majority of human critical reasoning. Genetic and molecular truths are entirely valid sources of causative reasons for human behavior, but not to the exclusion of cultural causations. Both of these sources of human behavior and thought must be weighed first independently according to their merit, and only then synthesized with the other to create a complementary expositional system to account for the nuanced creation, adaptation, and reinforcement of moral codes. Peace.


— posted 08/25/2007 at 14:52 by mental elevation
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No Progress Made?
Rieff's books made it such that as if no progress has been made since Enlightenment. Is that true? Certainly not.
— posted 08/27/2007 at 07:18 by Joseph Liang
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Quite right, Mental Elevation. Furthermore, even some of those trained thoroughly in evolutionary biology and sociobiology don't think the vague and pat formulations of evolutionary psychology has much to offer. Do they "clearly explain the origins of morality?" Not. And if they did, so what? What has that to teach us about morality itself, and how we ought to conduct ur lives (except that, if we want to be good human beings, we necessarily will often have to act against our evolutionary self-interest?)
— posted 08/27/2007 at 07:26 by Elena Tobias
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It seems The Grand Inquisitor would be a much shorter read than the works of Rieff, and far more insightful about the "problem" of the Enlightenment.
— posted 08/27/2007 at 07:50 by Mark B.
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The Curse of Modernity
Certainly a curious article, but amazingly insular. There is something called "Zen Buddhism of Bodhidharma's Line" which has addressed this question of correct human behavior without depending on authority. Given that it has been in place and working for 12 hundred years or so, it is possibly something to take note of in the West.
Finally, Rieff's taste for Freud-the-Man is strange to me; Freud has always struck me as essentially a creep. And, his (mis)use of the Oedipus myth is beyond belief to anyone who has read Sophocles. Freud was a mind-killer--and Mark B.'s mention of The Grand Inquisitor is most apt.
— posted 08/27/2007 at 10:19 by Eppou Koji
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foundation of morality -- whatever it is -- is independent of religion
Haven't most Western philosophers throughout history, including both religious and non-religious thinkers, argued that there is sufficient motivation for morality independently of religious belief? From Socrates, Plato's 'Euthyphro', and Aristotle, through Hobbes, Hume, Kant, Franklin, and Jefferson, to the majority of 20th century moral philosophers, a wide and central stream in Western thought has been the idea that the concept of right and wrong in general -- however the latter is conceived -- is conceptually more basic than any additional ideas concerning God as the 'highest good', whatever one thinks of the latter. Why keep swinging back and forth from God to Freud or Darwin or Marx and back to God again, when such a rich middle-ground tradition of philosophical reflection on the nature of morality is available? (A shameless plug for philosophy.)
— posted 08/27/2007 at 11:42 by JOS
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JOS's "Shameless Plug"
Interesting, JOS, to find someone blithely suggesting the problem of deriving the "what ought" from the "what is", is so simple --- and apparently has been resolved? What an embarrassing (if unwitting) plug that is for what you clearly believe to be the current state of Philosophy (sic) courses.
— posted 08/27/2007 at 18:33 by Norman Hanscombe
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JOS: Philosophy hasn't proceeded neatly, linearly, as science has -- indeed, one wonders whether it has progress at all. Almost every ethical theory put forward by a philospher, from Aristotle and Plato to modern anglo-american and continental philosophers, still have their adherents. While people flatter themselves that their god-independent philosophies are the products of reasoned deliberation, ultimately people choose their philosophical system in the same way that others choose their religions: they're either born into them, or they simply find that more aesthetically appealing than the other options.

Charles Stores: Hauser's book only described how humans have evolved to make moral judgments, but it doesn't have anything meaningful to say about the truth of various ethical systems. Humans are also evolved to grasp basic mathematical principles, but mathematical truth goes beyond - indeed, is independent of - what humans have evolved to believe.
— posted 08/27/2007 at 22:45 by Anon
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Upside Down again
From the beginning of this article, "Apparently out of arguments, the bishop exclaimed that if Ayer really believed all that, “then I cannot see why you do not live a life of unbridled immorality.” It hadn’t occurred to his grace that a skeptic, even a skeptical Oxford philosopher, could be anything but wicked." --- This is an unsupported conclusion. It is probably more likely that the Bishop himself would be living a more immoral life without the threat of other-worldly punishment. One only need to look around the American political cesspool to see example after example of these sickos who are only a lapse of faith away from a full speed serial rape and murder spree. As it is, most of them are on a slow motion rape and murder spree.

These people tell us volumes about their intentions and desires when they report their concerns about things they think other people want to do. Like the recent outbreak of Closeted Big Gay Republicans getting arrested flagrantly violating laws they recently got passed or at the least behaving in a manner they recently denounced publicly.

Can we be what without what?

What is it that we ascribe to this state of "Good without God?" That we will be Jesus with a microscope? Is it simply that we will "Do no harm?" And this is more than "Just Semantics." This is middle of the mess. The Chinese have seen a rise in the abortion of girl fetuses since the inception of the one child policy. Many in "The West" have denounced this, calling it short sighted among other things. But mathematically speaking, it is the optimum strategy. Voluntarily restrict the number of females. Eventually they will have to publicly acknowledge the need for polyandry, but it is a very strong strategy. One man on the average can impregnate at least 15 women a month. Probably more.... But one woman can only give birth to one child a year. Restricting the entire population evenly is only as effective as restricting the number of men. Take a couple of extremes:
1 man, 15 women. After 15 years with a typical 51% female split, there would be about 111 males and 123 females (disregarding infant mortality, which in modern societies has little effect) and after 30 years would be about 1015 males and 941 females. OR
1 female and 15 males. After fifteen years there would be 9 females and 22 males. After 30 years there would be 147 females and 154 males.

On the one extreme we go from 16 people to 1956 people in 30 years. On the other we go from 16 people to around 300 in 30 years.

Is that a "good" thing or a "bad" thing. Oh, which thing was I asking about? Think about it, you really do have to ask. And that is really my point. Good is not something we can know, it is only something we can feel, and we're probably wrong.

Whatever....
— posted 08/28/2007 at 00:21 by Oh Dot Oh
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JOS
I actually don't disagree with the comments by Anon and Norman H. I think the general idea that there is a religion-independent foundation for morality has been defended, in very different, disagreeing, and continually disputed ways, by all the thinkers I mentioned. (That's highly disputable, too, of course.) If one is looking for simple, definitive, and indisputable resolutions to this problem, philosophy won't be much help. Yes, all those thinkers disagreed on what exactly the foundation of morality is (pure reason? feeling? utility? rational self-interest? God? etc. etc.). But they had interesting arguments for the common conclusion that this foundation is independent of religious belief, whatever one might also think about the latter (yes, more disagreement there too).

It's interesting how quickly people move to the demand for, or assume one is demanding, indisputable resolutions. Not surprising, then, that the only available options seem to be either Faith or Science, or nothing.
— posted 08/28/2007 at 03:36 by Philosophy: simple, godless, linear through history, indisputable, finally resolved?
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Philosophy: simple, godless, linear through history, indisputable, finally resolved?
I actually don't disagree with the comments by Anon and Norman H. I think the general idea that there is a religion-independent foundation for morality has been defended, in very different, disagreeing, and continually disputed ways, by all the thinkers I mentioned. (That's highly disputable, too, of course.) If one is looking for simple, definitive, and indisputable resolutions to this problem, philosophy won't be much help. Yes, all those thinkers disagreed on what exactly the foundation of morality is (pure reason? feeling? utility? rational self-interest? God? etc. etc.). But they had interesting arguments for the common conclusion that this foundation is independent of religious belief, whatever one might also think about the latter (yes, more disagreement there too).

It's interesting how quickly people move to the demand for, or assume one is demanding, indisputable resolutions. Not surprising, then, that the only available options seem to be either Faith or Science, or nothing.
— posted 08/28/2007 at 06:51 by JOS
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Oh dear, we're all going to hell.
Just think of the look on the Bishop's face if the response to his question would have been, "What makes you think that I don't live a life of unbridled immorality?"

We do not have to be good. In fact there is damed little reason why we should be.
— posted 08/28/2007 at 09:38 by Chuck
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Ayer
He was often described as " the wickedest man at Oxford " at a time when there was a lot of competition for that title.
— posted 08/28/2007 at 15:08 by Bystander
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Reply to the first comment
We already knew (and have always known) that people naturally have inclinations toward what we're pleased to call good. (As usual, evolutionary just-so stories tell us nothing.) We have also always known we have inclinations toward things we consider evil.

What we don't appear to have without appeal to a religious authority is a good reason for making value judgements about which of our inclinations are good and which evil. Of course, making such judgments is itself one of our natural inclinations, but that hardly gets us anywhere for reasons obvious to any reasonable intelligent person.
— posted 08/28/2007 at 15:16 by Aaron
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httP;//from-the-catacombs.blogspot.com/
A most remarkable essay, full of laughter and ignorance. I laughed my head off at the thought that "Around half the population identify themselves as born-again Christians and believe in angels, miracles, the inerrancy of the Bible, and the special creation of the Earth within the last 10,000 years." Would that it were so! Then there might be some real passion and real politics, instead of what we have now, merely flipping stagnant cliches like pancakes. This also seemed to me funny: "For most educated (and even many uneducated) Westerners, however, all formerly unalterable authorities now lie in the dust, like Ozymandias." (One hardly needs to point out the contradiction with the first statement.) I thought Rieff's model of political man, religious man and economic man was pretty good, though - but the sad part (or the laughable part) was that he couldn't do anything with it. It remains merely a description, not a resolution or an action. This seems to me the culmination of the "Enlightenment" - having front-loaded all of human being into reason and intellect, it leaves everything else in darkness. Passion. Joy. Taking a Stand. Poetry. Risk. Adventure. Sacrifice. Beauty. So the Enlightenment has given us... precisely nothing, although perhaps in that Nothing we are to experience a new kind of freedom.
And all of this is so laughable because, in fact, this is not "Enlightenment" at all. The Enlightenment was perhaps not really about reason and freedom. It was more accurately about Power. By getting rid of the Catholic Church and the aristocracy the men of the Enlightenment devised a powerful tool - for them to gain Power - unaccountable and unhinged, unmoored from land, love, life, law and society. Pure Power. The lust for dominion.
That is what is so laughable about this piece, and maybe Rieff too, although I haven't read him. Nobody's really looking at the Enlightenment - or looking at the Real Enlightenment. It's all a show and a delusion, and we are as much immersed in the perennial moral problems of man as anyone ever was in any time - only we lack the receptivity to seek genuine solutions and the discipline to enforce them, so we flail about pretending to be new and great and noble, when in reality we are only making fools of ourselves and destroying what is left of civilized life. I'm sick of it! - but maybe it's better just to laugh.
— posted 08/28/2007 at 18:38 by Caryl Johnston
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Religious authority and judging what's good
Aaron: we also already know that all sacred texts and religious traditions are a mixture of some good stuff and some awful stuff. There's no point at which we can somehow get behind or beyond our reliance on our own human judgment of what's good and what's bad. Certainly not by appeal to religious authority.
— posted 08/29/2007 at 05:48 by JOS
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We tend to think of the battle between Enlightenment and the Old Order as being in the past. Nothing could be further from the truth. That battle is still being fought. Fascism was but the most brutal assault on the Enlightenment, but even that was only 75 years ago, and it is still with us in many ways. Rieff seems like just another soldier in the "Reactionary" army that still fights on. The fear of democracy and individual freedom is a powerful force, especially when wedded to power structures that can profit from their demise, even as their leaders indulge in those freedoms themselves.
— posted 08/29/2007 at 14:07 by Chris
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Leighton
all the commentary is solipsistic, faux philosophic and barren of any answers whatsoever so i guess that means smug and complacent
— posted 08/29/2007 at 22:52 by Kerry
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But George has an important point
or really it's Lasch's, but George does us a service by reminding us of it: the critical thing about ideas of good and evil, and revelation more generally, is not whether it is useful or necessary, but IS IT TRUE? I think Rieff was more alive to this than George allows - and it probably is a little unfair to criticise him for not offering us a new dispensation. His 33 year silence was taken on precisely to avoid becoming a prophet or guru. He didn't know how to answer the revelation question. He didn't like Christianity but was in no sense an observant Jew. It's a mark of integrity to refrain for offering answers to questions when you actually don't have the answers. So let's go easy on him here.
Question for George is; do trust, friendship, solidarity, love, justice need truth? Do we want these things to have a reality, or are we content with them being illusions and therapeutic consolations? Your 5 perfect people were happy with illusions. But since you're so concerned about democracy, if these things are only feel-good terms, what sort of basis do they offer for opposing the industrialism and consumerism and sexualism that disfigure modern life? Not sure all you chaps carrying on about enlightenment and evolutionary psychology and reaction get this.
— posted 08/30/2007 at 07:05 by Rastus
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mere illusion
Good question, I think. But why do you say that "Your 5 perfect people [i.e. Hume, Mill, James, etc.] were happy with illusions"? Didn't they believe such things as that what's just, good, etc., has to do with what's judged to be generally desirable or useful over the long run, all things considered (or some such thing)? I'm not saying that that's necessarily the right view, but why think that such a view makes morality out to be an illusion? Against what higher standard? The view from God's perspective? I guess I don't get it, as you say.
— posted 08/30/2007 at 09:19 by JOS
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Dear Charles Stores (#1):
Seems to me I have heard of sociobiology and evolutionary psychology somewhere.

Dear Caryl Johnston (#16):
There's no contradiction between saying that roughly half of all Americans are superstitious and saying that most educated (and some uneducated) Americans are not. That would only be a contradiction if exactly half of all Americans were educated.
Your larger point -- that the Enlightenment "was about Power" and undermined "Passion. Joy. Taking a Stand. Poetry. Risk. Adventure. Sacrifice. Beauty" -- deserves a less summary answer. Here I'll only mention that the critique and defense of the Enlightenment make up a vast literature, with many great works on both sides. Start with Peter Gay's "The Enlightenment" (pro) and Christopher Lasch's "The True and Only Heaven" (con).

Dear Rastus (#20):
Well, that's the ultimate question (or pretty close): "Do trust, friendship, solidarity, love, justice need truth?" The best answers that I know of are found in the writings of William James and Richard Rorty. Their ideas are too subtle to summarize (even if I fully understood them), but here's a taste: Truth is a practical matter (hence "pragmatism"); it is "what is good in the way of belief." But this conception doesn't truncate our normal understanding of truth; it includes and expands it. Deciding what is good to believe (ie, what premises to act on) turns out to be the most demanding and comprehensive form of inquiry, particularly when carried out socially, with an equal concern for the good of others. In matters of science, we have a fairly solid consensus on how to find what's best to believe or do: ie, the scientific method. In matters of art, there's another consensus, called artistic freedom. In matters of ethics and politics, the consensus is still evolving. James, Rorty, and others (Mill, Dewey, Orwell, Habermas, etc) call it "democracy" and give fairly similar accounts of it. I agree with those accounts.

-- GS
— posted 09/04/2007 at 10:32 by George Scialabba
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scribble, scribble, scribble, eh, mr. scialabba? i enjoyed the topics you raised in this essay, and i was pleased to see that you're coming forth with a second book. i enjoyed the first considerably.
— posted 09/22/2007 at 20:54 by tax hombre
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Teacher
All this learned discussion highlights a deficiency, a lacuna in thinking on fundamental issues of life and existence. It is the presupposition that 'religion' entails 'God' and this God is necessarily a law-diver or font of moral authority. It is possible to be moral, saintly and disciplined while rejecting the Abrahamic notion of God as the root of the moral order. The highest kind of religion rejects God and seeks salvation by a spiritual re-definition of our stance in the world. Buddhism is the exemplar.
— posted 10/05/2007 at 21:58 by Chandrasoma Rajapakse
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George Scialabba is a book critic and the author of Divided Mind and the forthcoming What Are Intellectuals Good For?

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